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Forum : Suggestions : music genre : Unclassifiable ?

ZARk [be]
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Okay

so, now that i've taken moderation a bit, i can see some patterns emerging ...

Such as the "abuse" of the "experimental" genre ...

People upload their personal experiments under that genre, when thats not the point of it.

But indeed, the songs posted in there, usually defy existing classifications.

I'm listening to this new pending track; called "Obscure" by boskozz.
The things could sound like as if it came from Melodies on Mars album from aphex twin, but it's in no way an "experimental" track. And i'm not too sure about posting it in electronica (but then again, WHAT is electronica ^^ )
So, the idea of creating a genre called "Unclassifiable", where things that just don't fit anywhere would go emerges.
It would be filled already with all the tracks from the "Crossover" genre i thin, as that "crossover" just means its a mix of different genres, making it unclassifiable.


Can i get some feedbacks on your feelings on this ?
 
 
 
brambi [be]
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difficult question imho... what for A is Z is for B Y if you catch my drift...
I once posted a hardcore track and a mod classified it under elektro... My friends said it was hardcore, the mod disagreed. Not that I have a problem with that, not at all, I'm just trying to explain that it's very difficult to classify most music. 
I think you could get a lot of "unclassifiable" tracks after a while? Imho best thing to do is to stick with wath the composer classified it under, even if you disagree...
imho ;)
 
 
 
ZARk [be]
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brambi:

It's not what the "composer" thinks his track is, but what people expect to find when they click on hardcore.
Giving a style to your track is not always easy, when i post new tracks
of mine i'm usually hesitating between 2-3 different genres.


If the hardcore moderator thought that track was electro, and moved it to electro, then the electro moderator will have received it, and validated as an electro track.
Meaning two moderators gave their opinion on the style of that song.

Send me the name of that track and i'll review it.



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I think you could get a lot of "unclassifiable" tracks after a while?

  

Well yeah, but look at the number of tracks in the "Crossover" section, and then look into the "Experimental" section that is litteraly polluted with tracks that are not of the experimental genre.
 
 
 
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You're the boss man :) just saying my opinion...
I have no idea how many tracks every section has and just saying my opinion as an user, not as someone who moderates here! 
Think the moderators will have more enlightening opinions for you then
 
 
 
ZARk [be]
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You're the boss man :) just saying my opinion...


 

And thats good ;)
i'm very open to discussion, i'm just answering to your post with my knowledge of the site :)
 
 
 
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everyone's oppinion is valuable !!

ok, i think the idea is good....
this will solve some problems and will counter the creation of 10.000 subgenres imho....

if a moderator has doubts, he can still ask for a second oppinion before sending a track to a section, so i think it could work.... 
 
 
 
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this will solve some problems and will counter the creation of 10.000 subgenres imho....


 

well sub-genres will still emerge if there's enough of it.
like the folk section etc... which is still up for reviewing ^^
 
 
 
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i understand what you're saying, but still if you look at todays names for genres it gets ridiculous and after a while you just don't find your way anymore.....


 
 
 
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i understand what you're saying, but still if you look at todays names for genres it gets ridiculous and after a while you just don't find your way anymore.....



 But thats why they are in a tree.
if you select the main genre, you get all the sub-genres.

But if you look for a specific subgenre, you find it.
Or am i going the wrong way with song classification ?
 
 
 
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no,no not at all, but if you look at what there is today.... 7500 different core - genres
3500 techno subgenres, etc etc ......


and you'll notice that everyone has a different idea about those genres, and this is not only the case with core/techno/house/.....

people feel the need to have the idea of being innovators, so new genres will keep on poppin up, and a ' unclassifiable ' section will be a good way to fill the space between all of them subgenres.....

i mean, ther will be tracks that one person describes as ' gfshghs- core ' , the other will call it ' sdqjvibu- core ' , yet another person will call it ' experimental ' and so on....

a sollution then is to call it ' unclassifiable '

then when a clear definition of certain genres arises, it's possible to put the right tracks from the unclassifiable genre in there....

that's a bit what i meant.... 

 
 
 
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Just a thought about the crossover genre;It would be interesting to keep it IF the tracks in it would have a mix of recognisable styles...."ow yes,thats a nice mix of this and that genre"...to keep a diffirence between exper. and crossover....

 
 
 
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how about deleting all genres & sub-genres en just place all tracks in
a/ general
b/ icz
?
it's not because every other site with +/- the same concept offers 1800 genres, sub-genres and sub-sub-genres, that we have to take that as a standard or sumthin'.

i am in sé against defining genres, because the only thing a genre does is limiting the creativity of the artist. period. we could explain our vision about this on the front page, so that every visitor clearly knows he can come and listen to artists, and not to "genres". if he don't like artist "x", he can skip, and move on to artist "y".

just a tought ...
 
 
 
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ok, you mentioned "Skip" ,that will be 0,15 euro cents dude.

No ,you've got a big fat point there my man.
At the other hand, the genre-squarekes ordening makes it easy what to expect ,so Im imagining some outsider saying..."hmm,I dont know what genre it all is, so, Ill pass this ebel site "...:( electro(bel) is not specific enough for the masses....imo
 
 
 
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well... and if we consider unclassifiable as a temporary solution... where more mods discuss a song to make a common genre choice...

but.. hum... this could lead to a new abuse by those who are too lazy to take the time to think about the genre classification of their own stuff... :(
 
 
 
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Unclassifiable sounds good, and as said before, it will allow crossover to become a "true" genre instead of a "Idontknowwhatitissoletsjustputitthere".
But about narrowing the "choice" to general and icz... well for me genres make it easier to find what we are looking for, even though each artists revisits a style in his own way when he composes (and still, it is not always the case, we are not THAT original).
And even if you like an artist's style, you might not like him in some styles. Besides, I don't think most of us start out a track by choosing the genre, at most a tendency (fast, heavy beat, melodic or whatever) so It doesn't limit our creativity imo...
I understand your point elfen, but maybe you're going a bit far with your expectations : artists need time to define their own style 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by : ELFENKOMMANDO

how about deleting all genres & sub-genres en just place all tracks in
a/ general
b/ icz
?
it's not because every other site with +/- the same concept offers 1800 genres, sub-genres and sub-sub-genres, that we have to take that as a standard or sumthin'.

i am in sé against defining genres, because the only thing a genre does is limiting the creativity of the artist. period. we could explain our vision about this on the front page, so that every visitor clearly knows he can come and listen to artists, and not to "genres". if he don't like artist "x", he can skip, and move on to artist "y".

just a tought ...
 
I think genre classifications can be realy usefull. By identifying with one or other genre you place yourself in a certain tradition. You acknowledge your influences and the artists who inspired you.
You also allow listeners to form a certain idea about your music before listening to it. Sparing him or her a lot of time in filtering out genre's which don't appeal to him or her.
It depends on the listener's openness and clearmindedness whether or not the genre limits his or her listening experience. Classifications are tools that create more clarity and aid in structuring that vast entity called music. Like all tools they can be misused, but don't 'throw away the child with the bathwater'. Imo they are usefull guidelines which can help you point the direction in which to listen.
As long as you don't see them as commandments written in stone I don't really see the problem. The Unclassifiable section seems to me an elegant way to deal with the exceptions who don't seem to fit in anywhere.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by : ZARk

Okay

so, now that i've taken moderation a bit, i can see some patterns emerging ...

Such as the "abuse" of the "experimental" genre ...

People upload their personal experiments under that genre, when thats not the point of it.

But indeed, the songs posted in there, usually defy existing classifications.

I'm listening to this new pending track; called "Obscure" by boskozz.
The things could sound like as if it came from Melodies on Mars album from aphex twin, but it's in no way an "experimental" track. And i'm not too sure about posting it in electronica (but then again, WHAT is electronica ^^ )
So, the idea of creating a genre called "Unclassifiable", where things that just don't fit anywhere would go emerges.
It would be filled already with all the tracks from the "Crossover" genre i thin, as that "crossover" just means its a mix of different genres, making it unclassifiable.


Can i get some feedbacks on your feelings on this ?

 




Hmmmm I think than that was one of the points interesting with many moderators, with this system you should post a note for have a feedback about other moderators. Sometimes it is difficult to recognize the kind of a track because nobody know everything.
Else, maybe Unclassifiable genre can be a solution but I think than that will create some derivations like the fact than many people will don't try to define their track and automaticaly post in Unclassifiable.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by : liquidbass

well... and if we consider unclassifiable as a temporary solution... where more mods discuss a song to make a common genre choice...

but.. hum... this could lead to a new abuse by those who are too lazy to take the time to think about the genre classification of their own stuff... :(
 



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+1 :o)

 
 
 
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Originally posted by : ZARk

Okay

so, now that i've taken moderation a bit, i can see some patterns emerging ...

Such as the "abuse" of the "experimental" genre ...

People upload their personal experiments under that genre, when thats not the point of it.

But indeed, the songs posted in there, usually defy existing classifications.

I'm listening to this new pending track; called "Obscure" by boskozz.
The things could sound like as if it came from Melodies on Mars album from aphex twin, but it's in no way an "experimental" track. And i'm not too sure about posting it in electronica (but then again, WHAT is electronica ^^ )
So, the idea of creating a genre called "Unclassifiable", where things that just don't fit anywhere would go emerges.
It would be filled already with all the tracks from the "Crossover" genre i thin, as that "crossover" just means its a mix of different genres, making it unclassifiable.


Can i get some feedbacks on your feelings on this ?



YES....I remember when i was eXP. moterator!!!
 
 
 
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