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Forum : Suggestions : "Today's Suggestions" are always the same!!!! (It Suckz!)

Kedal [be]
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I'm only member since 4 month but I didn't see lot of variations in da "Today's Suggestions" In your front page! why?
You maybe can call it "2011 Suggestions", "21st century suggestions" or Update it sometimes! (why not a random selection!)

KEDAL.
 
 
 
endora [be]
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ebel has had it's best days , since the update many new people joined , but the forum etc is less active.
I don't see a lot of people post tracks here anymore who i knew from before the update.

Ebel has had it best times , and there will follow some more now and then
 
 
 
cobrider [be]
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There is a big concurrent with soundcloud :s but imo both are complementary and I hope people will be back !!
 
 
 
Kedal [be]
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Merge all Ebels might be a good thing to do to stay competitive with SoundCloud!
 
 
 
cobrider [be]
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mmmh I don't think so. for me the advantage compared with soundcloud is that people in ebel are living in belgium (or most ) and imo it's a good thing not to have too many artists
 
 
 
Kedal [be]
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you're right... but there is really not much activity here since I'm there! And I don't think it's gonna be better... Artists who left Ebel should have good reasons!
They could make one Europe Ebel but with a "By Country" section... (Europe is not so big!)
Do you know if other Ebel's are in the same situation?
And what has really changed since Ebel update??? Less atractive? but why?
 
 
 
cobrider [be]
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the update didn't change ebel a lot it was mostly a relooking. but there were problems during the update for a moment and after it personnaly I was learning my exams so I didn't go on ebel for a while... then some artists are getting better and didn't want to put their track here for free... ( right endor ? :p I know it was the case for apache ). And finally were are on vocation, perhaps people are not home :p we wil see in sept I hope there will be more activity :D !!
 
 
 
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Ebel is family, a school for novice and a good place to meet other producer. If you post your shit on soundcloud of course you will reached more people but you will never have personal feedbacks like here. On soundcloud people are fake, they only post crap comments like "yeah" "Nice" "big Up" etc... Here people are honest and are giving real advising so you will probably learn more here. The reason why I didn't post some much tracks here is just because u can't sale tracks somewhere and let them free here. But anyway all the trackz that would not be released will be uploaded here. And I think or I hope people will come back. And I know every body is less active than before the update but everybody knows that ebel is in a kind of crisies and the reason why they know that is just because they are coming back sometimes just to take a look so it's not dead, it just need some fire!!

Btw, ebel is a good place to learn or improve your english :P!!
 
 
 
Kedal [be]
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what a beautiful vision of Ebel! (RVH) :/
Future gonna tell us.... Hope you're right!

PS: Personally I'have only unsalable trackz but if everybody post only his shit trackz, Ebel quality will decrease! Non Downloadable trackz should be possible to post (Endor Already suggested that and I agree with him... It should bring back the best trackz of da bizness makerz!)
 
 
 
endora [be]
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yep , on soundcloud you only get one type of comments ; everything you make is good.
Here we get some constructive comments and yes my english improved since i'm here ! lol , i'm dyslectic so i always suck in languages

ebel is a community , soundcloud is shit , but has much more activity.
 
 
 
cobrider [be]
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I totally agree with fake people and shitty comment on soundcloud. 70% of my followers are fake people who don't give a shit of what I make :p
 
 
 
endora [be]
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indeed , some house and electro dj's following me? what the fuck? my music is about not wanting to be like dem.. it's about daring to be someone who isn't like everybody.
Fuck mainstream shit.
 
 
 
ZARk [be]
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Yes, the suggestions aren't moving a lot, it's quite hard to find a good algorithm.

We've added some new features and stats in the v3 which should soon help us make a better algorithm for the "top" songs.

The "top" actually worked very good for a couple of weeks, and then suddenly it started to freeze, i keep hoping it'll start moving again, but it seems like i'll have to dig deep and adapt the algorithm again ... :(
 
 
 
ZARk [be]
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okay ..

I've added a logarithmic scale for time compensation and adjusted a couple of constants...

let me know what you think
 
 
 
Kedal [be]
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bof... It has been modified for an hour and now it seems to be as before! :[
 
 
 
ZARk [be]
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indeed, forgot to send the new algorithm to the scheduled maintenance script that updates the song scores. fixed.
 
 
 
Kedal [be]
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Until now Today's Suggestions seems to work ! :D

But now the Top 50 don't look like a Top anymore....Trackz inside with no thumbz up or with poor ratio! Ex: One of mine (Under Alert) is 2nd in the general top 50 but with "1 like, 1 dislike" it's weird, a junk track like this should not be in the top of the top... (maybe your time compensation is a bit to compensative... The top looks now a bit too like Today's Suggestionz...) :/

I know I'm a troublemaker, but it's not useless I think! (It's for the welfare of Ebel.)
 
 
 
ElPietro [be]
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Until now Today's Suggestions seems to work ! :D

But now the Top 50 don't look like a Top anymore....Trackz inside with no thumbz up or with poor ratio! Ex: One of mine (Under Alert) is 2nd in the general top 50 but with "1 like, 1 dislike" it's weird, a junk track like this should not be in the top of the top... (maybe your time compensation is a bit to compensative... The top looks now a bit too like Today's Suggestionz...) :/

I know I'm a troublemaker, but it's not useless I think! (It's for the welfare of Ebel.)


Yeah, but there's more to consider then just thumbs up/down. You also have to look a the number of times that a track has been listened to (e.g. a track that has been listened to 100 times and has 10 thumbs up and no thumbs down should be lower than a track that has been listened to 50 times and has 8 thumbs up and no thumbs down), the age of a track, etc.
Also, new artists and songs should be given a chance to get more listens. So a new track with only a few listens and thumbs should also get a chance to be in the top 50. Otherwise the top will just turn into an 'all-times favorites' list.

That being said, I think ZARk is doing a pretty good job with the algorithms...
 
 
 
Kedal [be]
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A Top is a Top (There is already "Today's Suggestions" for new artists to be listened)

"Otherwise the top will just turn into an 'all-times favorites' list."
>Not a All-Time favorites list but maybe a "12 months favorites list" or a "6 months favorites list"!
Like in da real life!!!
 
 
 
ZARk [be]
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today's suggestions is taken from the "top 50"

Top50 doesn't have a word next to it to say "top 50 of the month" or anything like that.

it's a list of "What's hot" tracks.

It takes soo much into consideration it's a headache to modify :)
(And it takes roughly 10minutes of calculations (on a nehalim xeon processor) ).