Electrobel

I'm not a fan, but I want to learn to appreciate. Best way to start appreciating is trying to make some but not being able to.
I'm not the kinda guy who likes to stumble into sumtin' so i'd like some producing tips before I dare taking a new step into music creation.

What BPM in general?
What kinda drummachines?
What kinda efx should i have ?
typical songstructure (i figure that's just the issue here, normally no specific structure)

I'd like to make something like Gene Gun from Amorph (the only track in the IDM section I learned to appreciate so far)
I expect lots of good tips and producing ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Help me and I'll try creating some ear-killing IDM before the crucifiction of Christ.

me too i really want to know how to make IDM...
i've heard somewhere that even venetian snares is doing IDM but i don't really believe that...
i'm so drunk on champagne now 'cause i'm 21 today :D

for me idm is based on a super search of sonority and super modication of sample. Try Reaktor, most synth and groove box is for idm like newskool for example a sequenceur which work with the game of the life an alrgorythme very special and well-know

the origin of IDM come from "Musique concrète" (French; literally, "concrete music"), is the name given to a class of electronic music produced from editing together fragments of natural and industrial sounds. It is the opposite of traditional composing (known to some as Musique Abstraite, literally, Abstract Music) as the sounds are recorded first then built into a tune as opposed to a tune being written then given to players to turn into sound .........Recently, the growing popularity in all forms of electronica has led to a re-birth of Musique concrète. Artists such as Christian Fennesz, Francisco Lopez, and Scanner use many Concrète techniques in their music while often being classified under more common electronica genres such as IDM or downtempo.
.check out one of the last articles in the Ebel galleri called "musique concrète" (frensh and english version)

ofcourse, idm is a genre with many definitions, thus making "the classic idm track" might prove to be difficult. Take for instance aphex twin, autechre and mr projectile. Three times idm, but three different things all together. Still, I do think you can distill some basic idm-rules:

1.drum programming: this is what makes idm idm. it needs to be fast (140-160 bpm) and complicated, with unusual sounds. Two ways to go about it:
- create your drum sounds with a synthesizer (and modify them in the course of the track) or
- load up your drum computer with samples of things that go boing (broken glass, rattling buckets, a stapler,...) and modify them in the course of the track
! important ! lots of variation is mandatory. try to avoid looping.

2.melody: this is what distinguishes one idm-er from the next. listen to everything ever released on merck and you'll know what to do. brothomstates is a good example too. basic rule is: make it emotional, genre sad but beautiful

3. structure: like every other song you've ever heard.

so happy birthday dr gonzo

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Originally posted by : liquidbass

so happy birthday dr gonzo

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yeah...that was yesterday but anyways...thanx :d

Also typical is the rattling sound which is created through putting several litlle bits of a sample after each other in a signature which is 1/16 to 1/64. DZZZZRRRRRR!!!!

here's a little tip: to make almost any drumkit (samples) sound like something idm-ish, slide down the 'sustain' of the samples to about 10%, this makes the samples much shorter and gives a sequence of clicks and pops, wich is often used. Then resample the clicks and add them to your regular drumkit. I will try to upload one of my homemade IDM kits and post the link here, so u can experiment with it. cheers.

here is that small drumkit i promised, use it freely to experiment, just lemme know if u ever make a song out of it... (info@sajdak.be) this is a bit softer drumkit, so not really in the gene gun genre.
tip! use recycle


CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE TPZ-87K DRUMKIT

Cheers

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www.sajdak.be/muziek
www.rainbox.be

thanks a lot, will try sumtin' out
10 minutes later: sorry to say so but the unpacking doesn't seem to work.

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Originally posted by : rainbox

here is that small drumkit i promised, use it freely to experiment, just lemme know if u ever make a song out of it... (info@sajdak.be) this is a bit softer drumkit, so not really in the gene gun genre.
tip! use recycle


CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD THE TPZ-87K DRUMKIT

Cheers

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www.sajdak.be/muziek
www.rainbox.be

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the term IDM sounds pretentious. it also has no clear borders like hopper pointed out... but to make this pretentiously categorised music ;) i think you should remain slightly dancefloor inspired(the rythmical aspect remains very strong, it doesn't have to stay dancing music ofcourse), while you're experimenting with combinations of drumkits, sounds(generated or sampled) rythms and melodies. the technical aspect can be very refreshing as you stumble on sounds that make you wonder where they come from(for ex. processed vocals that sound like a crazy synth sequence or vice versa) songs that are put in this category often are fit for multiple listenings, because they contain a lot of variation and auditive info in general.
but ofcourse genres are invented as people are having fun trying all sorts of stuff out. so just go crazy and do so, maybe you'll end up with something that's not-quite-IDM. that would be great ;) grtz

congrats dr. gonzo , yer one step closer to surtain dead :D .thanx to rainbox for the samples.next song they'll be used if okay by you.greets

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Originally posted by : icteder

congrats dr. gonzo , yer one step closer to surtain dead :D .

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icteder, you could also be a little more subtle :D the way you point it out, it is very likely that some people will commit suicide to prevent from coming older, so they don't come closer to death :p :p :p

anyway: happy b-day gonzo! but i'm sure that when your time arrives, the scientists will already have found ways for an immortal life ;)

I really don't want to be unpolite or intolerant... but there are other ways to congratulate DrGonzo instead of giving me the impression someone added some good tips on how to make IDM.
Started out something yet. Dunno' when it'll be finished. Considered some of the ideas aformentioned.
with exams coming up i got some more time - i'm on the other end of the line for most of you right?

Did you see Ebel houses almost 6OOO songs!!!!!

highly interresting topic... glad to have found this one back... coz Liquidbass might have some fun in IDM too ... soon...

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well eh if i can give a tip, i just love the use lots of pads as dreamy as possible
As bpm i use something between 100-115
but as i've noticed my idm songs seem to fall out of the boat in comparison to others so i'm not very sure if these are actually good tips :D

nope, the link doesn't work reaman...

Like, make a slow ass breakbeat song or something random.

Then speed it up 4 times.

Perfect Idm.

Despo hath spoken. ;)